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 Grandiose
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8/9/2009 3:12:14 PM reply with quote send message to Grandiose Object to Post

First of all, there is a difference between a monorchid (single testicle undecended and behind the abdominal wall) and a cryptorchid (both undecendended and behind the abdominal wall). The puppy being discussed would only be considered a monorchid IF the testicle were to not decend into its proper place BY PUBERTY.
I would hardly rush off and scrap an entire breeding program because an 8-week old puppy has a palpatable (and therefor mobile - as in able to be moved into the proper position) testicle. I think people are putting the cart a few miles before the horse on that one.
Oddly enough, the research on monor and cryptorchids is very ...confused. Half the information you will find says "neuter the 8 week old puppy immediatly...and never breed from those dogs again!" while the other half says a dog can not be considered a monor/cryptorchid until puberty, which is my personal belief as well. I've seen a ton of male puppies play yo-yo as they mature, and have only seen one that didnt have 2 properly in the sack at maturity...oddly enough, that puppy had both there at 8 weeks, and his owner never thought to check again until he started handling classes at 6 months...only to find out the puppy only had one testicle and it was too late to help bring the other down...oh well. Thats why I check my boy puppies daily until they are heavy enough to stay down on thier own.

If you have no plans on breeding the dog...then does it *really* matter? As long as the testicle is palpatable and able to be moved into the proper position, then the dog will not end up a monorchid. If the testicle is up behind the abdominal wall, and not able to be easily moved into the proper position, then I would personally pass on the puppy as a show prospect.

My $.02, for what its worth.
 Ren-J kennels
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I have just skimmed everybodies answers but i really agree with the above poster and just since i have bred sammies in my opinion if you were planning on using him for your foundation then no i wouldnt grow him out. both testicles should be down at 8 weeks. you shouldnt have to rub them everyday or give them a lot of exercise for both to be them to be there. but like the above poster said if you are just going to show him and not breed him or not make him at public stud then what does it really matter. hope i have been some help in making the decision easier for you!

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8/9/2009 11:02:51 PM reply with quote send message to Crow2008 Object to Post

grandiose... A monorchid is when one of the testicles is NOT THERE (also called vanishing testes), a cryptorchid is when one or both testicles are either in the abdominal wall OR in the inguinal area. if only one is "out of place" he is a unilateral crypthorchid, and when both are either in the inguinal or abdomianl area he is a bilateral cryptorchid.

A monorchid is a much, much more serious problem.

I asked my boss (a veterinarian) today to make sure I was saying the right thing.
 lizziemac
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8/9/2009 11:41:49 PM reply with quote send message to lizziemac Object to Post

Lenny's 2nd testicle wasn't reliably down in its "forever home" until he was around 6 months. In fact I held him back from showing until 7 months to be sure. We did his "exercises" (pulling it down to where it should be) every day and he has a perfectly normal set now. Stuart on the other hand never had the second one in plain sight (or feel) and had to be neutered eventually and we found the second one way up in his abdomen. So, if you can feel the second one for sure and it's close by the scrotum, I'd take that puppy if it's the one you like best and just work on it until it stays put.
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8/10/2009 8:59:40 AM reply with quote send message to Chiaha Object to Post

This is part of what I check for when I pick up puppies. If they are not where they should be I would certainly change my mind on which one I took home.
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8/10/2009 11:40:19 AM reply with quote send message to CRG Kennel Object to Post

When my newest Champion was a pup he also had this problem. I could easily find both, but only one would stay down. It took until he was 6 months and many hours of massaging them but he is now very proud of his parts=happy :) Maybe they would have both stayed down on their own, but I wasnt chancing it. He was a very slow maturing dog and I think that is partly why they so easily slipped back and forth.
I would take another pup like this so long as I could easily find both of them. I wouldnt waste my money or time if one couldnt be located or easily moved into place.

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You guys are funnyhappy :) I do the exact same massage from a couple hours old until they "stay"happy :) I was brought up in Italian Greyhounds, they are notorious for this issue, one learns quickly when raised in this situation to look and massage right awaylaugh :D Sometimes you even get a couple puppies whose stuff you can see from birthhappy :)happy :) I like those oneslaugh :D

Like Grandiose has stated, flip them over, push 'em downhappy :) Maybe folic acid also, although I think that has to be before they are born, I have never tried supplements, only working on them daily, multiple times a daywink ;)


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The undescended "one" should be towards the belly button, in that area of the groin where the thing meets the belly, not down towards his hockwink ;) And if there's a chance of working at down, they pop into place very easily after flipping over. I've even seen some judges allow to flip puppies to do this!

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I HAVE A 12 WEEK OLD PUPPY THAT r ONE IS NOT DOWN BUT BOTH WERE DOWN AT 4.5 WEEKS AND 7.5 WEEKS OLD!
vET CAN'TLOCATE THE RIGHT ONE NOW! aNY SUGGESTIONS> I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED!hE IS A GWP with two parents who have won at Westminster BOB! Feeling heartbroken!

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